“We cannot take away someone’s rights because they are different. We cannot take away their right to breathe, right to eat or right to start a family. We must allow everyone to live as is natural to them.”
A quote I found in a blog post this morning, apparently said by Israel's president about marriage equality. And I couldn't help but feel the irony, having not long woken from a dream where I was forced to make arrangements to leave the country after being 'outed' by my attraction - just attraction, not action - to a cute boy. Some are definitely 'less equal than others'.
Love & best wishes to all
Sammy B
Some people might be seriously attracted to committing the perfect murder...of course that is different. How dare you put your attraction in the same boat as the long fight for marriage equality.
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DeleteSanctimonious as ever. When are you going to get the difference between what people are, and what they do?
Sammy B
Gee, and thought he was talking about the Palestinians...*not*!!!
ReplyDelete:-)
-Andy
Hello Andy
DeleteThere are certainly issues in the Israeli political biosphere that they would do well to address. But, of course, that very word, 'political', means that nothing beyond serving electoral expediency will be done.
Love & best wishes
Sammy B
It's too bad all the politicians can't GET this!
ReplyDeletePeace <3
Jay
Hello Jay
DeleteNot just politicians, evidently.
Love & best wishes
Sammy B
How completely arrogant to assume that just because you haven't acted on your wants, that your 'wants' need to be equalized. How exactly does... 'right to start a family. We must allow everyone to live as is natural to them' fit in with your ideals.
ReplyDeleteDoes becoming equal give you legal rights to make the choice to act on your want to violate a child, is that the ideal dream here?
Hello Ian
DeleteHow arrogant of you to assume that my being attracted to boys makes me a rapist, any more than my wanting to commit the perfect murder would make me a murderer. And how hypocritical of you to use marriage equality as a supposed weapon to attack me when you've said in your own blog that it's an issue that doesn't concern you, because you yourself don't want to get married. As I've said before, if you don't like what you read here, go elsewhere. All I'm doing is stating an honest opinion, from my perspective, as a self-confessed celibate boylover.
Sammy B
It doesn't concern me personally, that doesn't mean I dismiss those who have. I am curious though, how does the mentioned quote apply in anyway to your situation. Perhaps you can explain that for me.
ReplyDeleteHello Ian
DeleteIf you've bothered to actually read the post, and understood its title, it's a comment on the irony of acceptance for 'everyone'. Except those who aren't. But, sadly, understanding of nuance doesn't seem to be your strongest suit.
Sammy B
Oh I got it, I am curious as to how, equality would fit into your situation and what exactly does equality mean you would be legally allowed to have sex with children. Save the snarky 'You don't understand the nuances' when you knew exactly what my question was referring to. 'Everyone' does not include people that want to commit crimes but have not done so.
ReplyDeleteHello Ian
DeleteYet another completely unwarranted assumption on your part - 'people that want to commit crimes'. I've lived my life, since before you were born, in such a way as to avoid committing the crimes you refer to. I return to the point I made at the beginning of this exchange, that you appear to be incapable of understanding, or even wanting to understand, the distinction between thoughts and actions. I know what the law is, and I comply with it. But, even if the law changed, and, of course, it won't, to parallel Spain - age of consent set at 13, that is - I still wouldn't have sex with anyone I wasn't 100% convinced had given informed consent, which, in my opinion, involves not only saying 'yes', but understanding what they were saying 'yes' to. Whether you believe that or not is a matter for you, and, frankly, I couldn't care less one way or the other.
Sammy B
Sammy, you seem hell bent on dodging my question and just patronising. Of course I understand that wanting to commit a murder, does not make one a murderer. It was merely used as an example for comparison. Being older than me, has no bearing on what we are discussing.
ReplyDeleteI am fully aware of the difference between thoughts and actions, maybe I should just point out how you seem to be incapable of getting my point. Which was questioning the relevance to the aforementioned quote at the beginning of this post, to your 'thoughts'. How exactly, should your thought process be equalized, it shouldn't because its not relevant.
Simply...
I am curious to know, just how this quote on equality applies to your 'thoughts' and does being in your scenario equal, turn those thoughts to actions?
Side bar - Isn't 13 still too old for you.
Hello Ian
ReplyDeleteAs I've said, both in the post itself, and in one of my earlier replies, what I'm discussing is the issue of equality as it appertains to those who are deemed by society to be 'less equal than others'. Much of what you've said suggests to me that you believe that even my thoughts place me in that category. If that's the case, then that's a matter for you. If I break the law, I'll be judged accordingly. Beyond that, as far as I'm concerned, it's neither your business, or anyone else's. And, in answer to your snide little 'side bar', 13 would be perfect - it was legal and consensual.
Sammy B
The last clause should read, of course, 'if it was legal and consensual'.
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